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Tammy Boneburg from Kalamazoo, MI asks: Hi Dr. Rob, I have a 6 year old parakeet named Leonardo. He had a bout with the feather mites and the beak rot back in March. I had him on Ivermectin at the time and his beak healed and looks great now. It has been growing though and I have to have it trimmed every week. I don't know why that is happening. Any ideas on why this is occuring would be appreciated. He also had the feather mite/moth eaten appearance around his nose, near his eyes and by his ears. The ivermectin did help and almost all his feathers started to grow back and as I mentioned before, his beak was looking great! Recently, the weather has been very hot here in Michigan lately and the feather mites came back. He is loosing his feathers again! I purchased S76 and I am on the third week with it. I have been putting it in his drinking water three times a week and I have also been applying it with a Q-tip to the patch above his nose where this is occurring. How long should I keep doing this? I have noticed a few pin feathers coming back but I am concerned that he has lost some weight. He is very chipper still, talks, and preens himself and acts pretty normal. Can you recommend any food supplement I can give him to keep his weight up? I have cleaned and bleached all the toys and the cage and was going to buy some Pestex as well to keep the cage clean. Is there anything else I can do for him? He is a white rare parakeet with a periwinkle chest and I know his immune system has been low because he is a light parakeet and he has had the feather mite problem for awhile. Thanks so much for your help. Tammy Boneburg
Hello Tammy, Recurrent cnemidocoptes mange is related to immunosuppression and nutritional imbalance. Your bird need to go on TurboBooster, ePowder and F-Vite daily. KD Water Cleanser one day each week, and DufoPlus/Ioford combo two days each week. It is completing it's molt and will be coming into breeding condition so again is now more susceptible to mite infestations. Stop S76 WHEN THE MITES DISAPPEAR, THEN USE IT AS A PREVENTATIVE ONCE A MONTH in the Summer months and every 3 months otherwise. All the Best, Rob

Courtney Folk from Columbia, SC asks: I recently purhased a female gouldian who has a rather long beak and her eyes appear to have thick eyelids- she's not keeping her eyes closed per se, but does look a little funny. She is occasionally tucking her head during the day for a few minutes at a time, is eating well, and has a clean vent, and is as active as the rest of the birds I have. Should I do anything about her heavy eyelids at this point? I know this sounds strange, but her eyes just aren't as alert as the other Gouldians I have. Thanks for your help in advance! Courtney
Hello Courtney, This is a sign that your hen is not feeling well. She needs a look by an avian vet. Best of Luck, Rob

Courtney Folk from Columbia, SC asks: Hi Dr Rob, I recently set up a pair of Gouldians to nest, and after laying several eggs, the female became very sick and lethargic. I had been feeding her Abba 1900 seed, mineral grit, egg food/meal, and fresh eggs and veggies every day. I also was adding calcium to her water. Her first symptoms were a bubbling/gurgling sound followed by actual bubbles at her beak, a sneezing behavior, I assume to get the fluid off her beak, and a very weak body. I originally thought it was egg binding, however she was able to pass droppings. I had been giving her saniclens and calciboost in her water previous to her sickness, and added calcium directly to her beak when she fell ill. I also gave her heat lamps and a heated perch. After a couple of days of this, I put her on Amoxycillin. Nothing helped and 5 days later she died. Do you have any idea why this happened? Also,some of my societies and gouldians will occasionally open their mouths like they are panting when near the top of their aviaries. I thought it was just because it was hot, but after reading your postings I am wondering if it is air sac mites? I have been treating them with s76 as directed. Thanks for your help with this.
Hello Courtney, I believe that the bubbling/gurgling that you saw coming from your hen's mouth could have been a disease called Trichomonas. It is caused by a protozoal parasite and can be treated with products containing ronidazole.

It is always a good idea to treat regularily with products like S76 to keep your birds free of air-sac mites. All the Best, Rob

Christine Milano from Connecticut asks: One of my Gouldians woke up this morning with his eyelids literally stuck together. I caught him and gently touched each eye with a wet finger and they came unstuck, but I'm concerned he may be ill. Should I take him to my avian vet?
Hello Christine, I would take him to your avian vet so that he/she can determine the source of the mucos/discharge that caused the eyes to be stuck shut. All the Best, Rob

Elaine Anuth from Staten Island, New York asks: We just lost our 22 month old fife canary to a suspected case of air sac mites. He was purchased from a breeder at 17 months of age and he sang and ate well for about 3 months and then went into the molt for 2 and one-half months. The last month he appeared to sit quietly on the bottom for brief periods in the afternoon but then perked up afterwards. Last week we came home to find him on the bottom of the cage and in the morning he couldn't get up on the perch. We took him to an avian vet and she thought it might be respiratory mites and treated him with oral ivermectin and told us to give him doxycycline. He suffered terribly for seven hours and died. How could he have contracted the mites, he was our only bird and seemed so healthy when we got him?
Hello Elaine, All Canaries and Lady Gouldian Finches are very susceptible to air-sac mites. So much so, that they should be routinely treated for these mites every 3 months.

I don't think that the question is "how did he contract these mites". He most certainly had at least the nymph stage of this mite in his respiratory tract when you purchased him. This could be the case, even if the breeder had just treated him the day that you purchased him, because the products that we have available to kill air-sac mites, kills only the adult mite, not the eggs or nymphs.

These nymphs can lay in dormancy for months, but they tend to mature into adults and start the process all over again during times of stress for the bird, which indeed the molt would have been. The reason that your canary died after the treatment was because once the Ivermectin killed the excessive number of mites, they clumped up inside his respiratory tract, he was unable to get air throughout his body, and he suffocated. This is unfortunate, but there was no way that your vet could have known that he was that heavily infested. That is why it is so very important to treat for these mites on a regular basis, in order to prevent the numbers from becoming excessive again.

Please don't let this stop you from getting another canary and experiencing the joy of his song.

Frances Cabrera from New York asks: Is it normal for a female Zebra Finch to sleep all day long?
Hello Frances, No, it isn't normal for any bird to sleep all day long. This is one of the indications that there is something wrong.

I would suggest that you place this hen near a heat source so that she can conserve her energy to heal, rather than using it to keep warm. I would also offer her a glucose/electrolyte/vitamin/mineral supplement like NV Powder or MiniBoost to keep her hydrated until an assessment can be made to whatever the problem may be. All the Best, Rob

Elizabeth DeLaurentis from Oceanside, CA asks: One of my 4 Gouldian's has overnight developed some kind of scale or pieces of plaque or scales sticking out on it's feet. All four are boys and are in one cage. I have this same condition on my canary, but he's in a different cage. Since I've been using the health program/products in the water & on the food the canary is better but they've never gone away. Any suggestions? The Gouldians are molting, other than that things seem normal.
Hello Elizabeth, The problem with your bird's feet sounds like scaley foot mites, and the disease process is often referred to as "tasselfoot". An application of undiluted S76, rubbed gently on the feet with a cotton bud, one day per week, while also adding the S76 to the drinking water for 2 consecutive days each week should clear up this condition in both of your birds. This procedure should be used for approximately 6 weeks. It can sometimes take even longer for the dead growths on the foot margins to fall off the feet after the mites have died. Best of Luck, Rob

Lyn Steiger from New York asks: I have a few Gouldians w/overgrown or crossed beaks. One seemed always fluffed up & inactive so treated her with Colloidal Silver and she is now bouncy & active. Does this suggest I have polyomavirus in my aviary? I have two young hens from last year's hatching that are now appearing puffed up, sleeping a lot and very slow to complete their first moult - could they have the polyomavirus as well? Will a treatment of Colloidal Silver in their water or fed directly help these others? What do you suggest I do to help the remaining birds? Thank you
Hello Lyn, The condition that you describe with the overgrown and crossed beaks does sound like Polyomavirus. Once contracted, it is a life-long disease that can be spread to baby birds when the virus is being shed by carrier birds. It is best to support health with my Health Programmes and to prevent other infections that are opportunistic in weakened birds.

Other signs of exposure to Polyomavirus are feathering abnormalities, which could be what you are seeing in your 2 young hens. Birds carrying the Polyomavirus will go through periods of health and weakness throughout their lives, which is why it is important to limit their exposure to disease throughout their lives. All the Best, Rob

Barbara Pawson from Michigan asks: My son's quaker parakeet has a warm beak. It is supposed to be warm, right? Sometimes I notice it and sometimes I don't. So, I wondered it is something that varies. Or is it a health indicator ie a dog and his cold nose. Thanks so much for your help
Hello Barbara, It is perfectly okay for your son's Quaker parakeet to have a warm beak. It is nothing to worry about. All the Best, Rob

janet martin from Clearfield, PA asks: can parakeets get artritis
Hello Janet, In my experience, it is rare for Parakeets to get arthritis. My suggestion would be to use natural products like glucosamine if you feel your pet bird may have developed arthritis. All the Best, Rob

Claudia from Orange Park, Florida asks: Hi, I have a young SF Yellow Gould male that has shown signs of dicomfort in his right ankle. At first there was no swelling present and after about 2 weeks his ankle swelled up. I have him in a hosptial cage and was handfeeding him since he had gotten extremely thin. I put him on Amtyl and Guardian Angel and he seemed to perk up a bit and his swelling was slightly reduced. After 7 days on Amtyl I took him off and he is really not any better. In fact he is laying on the bottom of the cage most of the day as he can't seem to bare any weight on the bad foot. He nibbles on food here and there. I still feed him with Survive. His ankle doesn't look broken and took 2 weeks to swell up. Could it be Gout? Any other ideas on what to do? Thank you, Claudia
Hello Claudia, I'm afraid that it would be impossible for me to diagnose the problem without actually seeing him and possibly labratory testing. My suggestion would be to have him seen by an avian vet. All the Best, Rob

Coral from Oregon asks: Hello again Dr. Rob, I realize you haven't responded to my first question, but I thought perhaps an update would be useful information in case you did. I took my budgie who was passing undigested seeds off of your supplements just in case he was reacting to something in them, and now I'm using the Morning Bird supplements. I wanted to add, however, that your regime made a visible improvement in all my birds in every other regard, and I was reluctant to take him off of it. I should also add that he has had a sensitive system since I got him a year ago, so I did not mean to insinuate that your supplements were harmful at all, as I believe their quality is actually some of the best I've ever encountered. When I first acquired him a year ago, he had a sneezing problem even though all his tests came out negative, and it was later concluded that he probably had allergies since the sneezing cleared up on its own by moving him to a different part of the house. As of now he's still passing undigested seed, but with *much* less frequency and severity as before. I do not know if he has a liver toxicity issue that will crop up regardless of any supplement I use, or if it's something completely unrelated to supplementation, since all the tests I described in my first question that my vet did came out negative. I'm quite perplexed, as all the diseases I researched online that list passing undigested seed in the droppings as a symptom (like PDD and Megabacteria) usually are accompanied by other very severe symptoms, of which he has none. During the first month or two that he exhibited this troubling symptom, he only had a few days where he had poor posture, less vocalization, cold feet and he even vomited once....but that was when he was passing seeds almost every other day. I've had a lot of experience treating sick birds over the past decade, and his symptoms were relatively mild and they rectified themselves quickly, and he has rarely had any other symptoms of that nature since (and I monitor him very closely). His weight has been consistent (41g) as I've been weighing him over the past few months, his energy and vocalization has remained relatively unchanged since the initial period. In fact, I'd say he's one of my more energetic and vibrant birds. Any insight or advice you might have would be invaluable, since I cannot imagine it's good for him to be passing seeds at all, and everything up to now has only given me vague inclinations as to the cause. Oh and by the way, his diet consists of a seed mixture (hulled millet, hulled buckwheat, flax seed, rolled oats, and sunflower seeds...all organic), organic romaine lettuce, & organic kamut and buckwheat sprouts, as well as the Herb Salad™ offered on this site. I add to the seed the supplementation already mentioned. (Sorry such a long post!) Thanks again.
Hello Coral, I am sorry for the delay in responding to your inquiry about your Budgie. I agree with you that your fella may have an allergy related to something in the TurboBooster, ePowder or F-Vite. I would suggest that your Budgerigar has a proventriculus problem. I see many Budgerigars with the symptoms you described and nearly every case is Megabacteria induced permanent damage to the proventriculus. This in turn predisposes to allergies that may be otherwise mild in a healthy bird.

I suggest that perhaps you could start again with just the TurboBooster, then add each of the other products, one at a time, to see what your bird is allergic to. Then we can at least get an idea of where to go next. Keep in touch. All the Best, Rob

mike from illinois asks: Hello Dr. Rob, I'm hoping you can help me out. About 2 years ago I began raising gouldian finches. I have 5 each males and females, none of which are related. The first year, eleven babies were successfully raised with no deaths (although less than half of the fertile eggs hatched while the majority died in the shell). However, something worse has happened this year. This past summer, only two of ten babies lived. The eight died about 35 - 40 days after hatching. Currently, I have three separate nests with gouldians babies and they are experiencing the same problems as those that died. Here are the symptoms - the babies don't leave the nest until around day 28 - 30. When they do, none stand on a perch, but instead go to the floor of the cage and most seem to have a difficult time moving or standing on their right leg. Additional background information - The birds affected now are all from different parents from the ones that died this past summer. The nests are in three separate cages in three separate areas. Also, all are being fostered by three pair of society finches. I provide seed, millet, Lafeber's premium diet food and Quiko egg food daily. The past three or four days I have also been mixing bee pollen and breeder's blend in the egg food. I have seen a slight improvement in a few babies since I started this (two of the nine babies sit on a perch for short periods of time). I also started mixing amtyl in their water the past three days. For safe measure, I also applied scatt to the societies a few months ago. Cages are cleaned regularly, temperature around 72 degrees, 6 - 8 hours of direct/indirect sunlight. Sorry for the rambling, I want to provide as much information as possible. Any suggestions what the problem could be and how I can cure the current babies and prevent this from happening with future babies? The most puzzling part is the common symptom of right leg problems. Thank you in advance for your help. If anyone else has any suggestions or experienced the same thing, please feel free to email me at grazzhoppa@aol.com Mike
Hello Mike, The problems you are describing sound to me like Ornithosis. You can do a 3 day trial treatment with my Doxycycline/Megamix cocktail to see if Ornithosis is the problem. Contact Laraine for further details.

The problem may also be a kidney infection causing the leg problem or a fungal infection. You really need a pathology study by an avian vet. All the Best, Rob

Daryl Gagliano from Colorado Springs, CO asks: I am very new to finches- for the past year I've been working with them, and have a mix of gouldians, zebras, cordon blues, societies, canaries, orange cheek waxbills, etc. I have an 'indoor aviary' of sorts, where an entire room is basically set up as one big cage with perches around the perimeter of the room and actual cages within the room that remain open so the birds can fly in and out. I will open the windows for a fresh air, and maintain a heater so the room temp is approx. 80 degrees. My question is, is it possible for my birds to contract air sac mites? Is this an illness that I should routinely do some preventative care on? I just ordered your Health Program, and am looking forward to learning more about how to care for these beautiful babes! Thanks! DG
Hello Daryl, If any of your birds are currently carrying any form of the air-sac mites (eggs, nymphs or adults) then yes, your other birds can become infected. I recommend treating for air-sac mites for 2 consecutive days every 3 months during the cooler months of the year and for 2 days every month during the warmer times of the year. However if you are keeping your aviary room at 80 degrees years round, then I would recommend the warmer season treatments of every month. All the Best, Rob

Ira & Rita Goldstein from New Rochelle, NY asks: We just lost a female canary that we had for almost a year. She laid one egg in June that never hatched. She seemed fine after that but around the middle of July we noticed that she was losing feathers around her neck. Brought her to the people we bought her from, (they sell only birds and have a very good reputation for quality and knowledge) they found an infection on the skin on her neck. They put a salve on and gave me a powder to add to the water for her to drink. She seemed to do better, she ate, drank and bathed, but feathers never regrew. We again brought her to the bird dealer in September because she started staying at the bottom of the cage. Her skin had cleared up and they couldn?t give us a reason for her listlessness. Several days later she died. We kept her in a cage with three other canaries and they seem to be fine. Any ideas of what could have happened. Thank you, Ira & Rita
Hello Ira and Rita, Her immune system may have been depressed from the initital skin infection which caused her to be more susceptible to problems such as a bowel infection, heavy metal poisoning or other other diseases. I am sorry that you lost her. Rob

Sujan Chatterjee from Calcutta, India asks: Hello Dr. Rob, My black-headed Female has started to breathe very heavily and at times with her mouth open. She also has her chest puffed up and She is sleeping with her head tucked over her back. Any advice on this will be most helpful. thanks & regards Sujan Chatterjee from Calcuta India
Hello Sujan, The behavior you are describing is what we call the "sick bird" look. The open mouth breathing is suggestive of an air-sac mite infestation. My recommendation would be to treat with S76 for the possible mites, and then reassess her condition. All the Best, Rob

syn wong from california asks: Dear Dr. Rob, I have a male canary that is very active, alert, and healthy. However, he has made noises like sloshing wet shoes when breathing and opens his beak to clear something from his throat. During the daytime, his breathing is mostly normal followed by a few times trying to clear his throat by opening his beak and making a slushy noise. During the evening, his breathing is frequently labored. He does not expel any liquid from his mouth or nostrils. I thought maybe he had airsac mites. So I ordered S76 and treated him for 2 consecutive days in the morning for 3 weeks in a row. That didn't help. In fact he has gotten worse where the noise is more pronounced and he has stopped singing. His singing stopped when he started molting a week ago. He did try to sing a few days ago and his voice was raspy and he hasn?t tried to sing since. He is still very active and alert. Right now I have a heat blanket at the top of his cage and a warm humidifier running at night. The temperature around here has been in the 80s during the day and night time of low 70?s. His droppings is normal, he behaves normal jumping from branch to branch, staying more active than his companion (his hen) who is housed with him. She breathes normal and seems to be healthy, thus his symptoms does not appear contagious. What do you think is wrong with him? What do recommend I do? Thanks for your advice. Syn
Hello Syn, The problem with your canary could be Trichomonasis, as this disease would exhibit as you have described. I would treat him with Ronidazole and check for soft foods contamination. All the Best, Rob

Judith Crain from Illinois asks: Hi there, Dr. Rob! I have a rather puzzling problem. I have a five month old Gouldian male (raised by his parents) who seems healthy. However, I have noticed for the past few months that every now and then his feet vibrate rapidly on and off for a few minutes and then stop. He always looks down at them as if asking "why are my feet doing this?" He gets a very good varied diet and supplements. None of his siblings have this problem. I have searched the net for this particular problem and not having any luck. What could be the problem with my little guy? Thanks so much, and kind regards.
Hello Judith, We get a toe tapping syndrome in Eclectus parrots that may be similar to what you are seeing in your Gouldian juvenile. It relates to a calcium problem. You could try Hical or similar product (Calcium Plus or Calciboost)in the drinking water and see if this helps. Rob

Herb Kunz from Hot Springs Village, AR asks: I just bought a male canary Approximately 1 year old from a private party. They said it was a beautiful singer. I noticed it's feathers were puffy. A few hours after getting it home it tried to sing but only croaked a little. Besides it's puffy appearance and hoarseness, he seems to have labored breathing and is wobbly on the perch and has a difficult time steadying itself for sleeping so he sleeps on his cage bottom.He doesn't bathe or preen.In spite of all this it has an enourmas appetite. It constantly eats.
Hello Herb, The first thing that I would do for your new canary is treat him for air-sac mites with S76. I would put him on NV Powder in his drinking water for 2-3 days, while applying a drop of S76 to the skin on the back of his neck each of the 3 days.

The 2nd and 3rd week, add the S76 to the drinking water on the same day of the week as the last 2 days of the on skin application.

There may be more disease processes involved, but air-sac mites are the most probably. Please report back his progress after the 3 weeks of S76 treatment. All the Best, Rob

deb ruhl from az asks: dr.rob, i have a male gouldian, it started yesterday, sat on perch with eyes closed, acts kinda drunk when fly;s, been on bottom of cage some too,can you help.thanks
Hello Deb, The symptoms that you are describing could be caused by a number of illnesses. I would suggest that you have him seen by an experienced avian vet, as soon as possible. Rob

Robert Benson from Metairie (New Orleans), Louisiana asks: Dr. Rob, I had a gouldian die this morning and want to know what to do with the rest of them so they don't follow a similar fate. I house 13 goulds in an outdoor aviary. I noticed 1 appearing sluggish so I brought him inside and gave him warmth and food. I started him on your Amoxycillin but didn't notice any improvement after 2 1/2 days so I switched to Cocci-care. It must have been too late cause he went quickly. I have him in a plastic bag in the fridge because I haven't decided whether to bring him to the vet for a necropsy or not. I'd like to and I am willing, but it's $150. I have the entire flock inside so I can monitor them more closely than in the aviary. Some do have watery droppings but otherwise all appear to be in really good health: moving around, singing, eating, and drinking. What would you advise? I realize the necropsy is the only way to know for sure and it may well be worth the $150. Should I treat the whole flock with something as a proactive measure? Worm-away? Amoxycillin? Cocci-care? etc. Thank you so much.
Hello Robert, My recommendation would be to put the entire flock on KD in their drinking water to protect them in the event they have not already been infected and to see if the necropsy givens you any indication of the cause of death of the dead bird.

Medicine treatments would not be advised until diagnosis is confirmed. All the Best, Rob

kathy jenkins from osyka, mississippi asks: Dr. Rob I have a colony of English Budgies that I am having trouble with. Two of the started having very dirty vents. Dark green sticking to their feathers. It stayed the two for a long time and now the rest have it. I treated them with one day of worm away, followed by five days of amitrox, followed by seven days of Ronex, and then three days of probotics. They actually seem to be worse. They do not loose weight or even act sick (fluffed up), but they do seem to be constantly growing new feathers. I have alot of other birds from finches to macaws and do not have problems with them. Do you have any idea of what is going on? Your advice would be greatly appreciated
Hello Kathy, The symptoms you are describing sound like E coli or Thrush, but cultures to confirm would be best. All the Best, rob

Kristen from Oak Park, Michigan asks: Hi Dr. Rob! I rescued a Gould from a pet store that obviously had no idea how to care for it(sucker for a pretty face here). The bird had lost all of it's head feathers and his coloration was so bad that I couldn't tell if it was male or female (all feathers were very pale)! He had a nasty case of scaly face/leg and airsac mites. I brought him home (have since figured out he is male!), set up quarantine (5 months worth of solitary confinement!) and have nursed him back to general health. He tests out clean on gram stains and for other internal/external parasites. The last issue before I introduce him to my flock is one my Vet couldn't answer - perhaps you can help? This little bird has a blocked nose hole on one side. It almost looks as if there was some damage from the mites that won't grow out. Is there a way to unclog this that you are aware of short of surgery? He is obviously having difficulty breathing normally. I don't intend to breed him at this time, but if I can "fix" his nose, he could make a lovely addition to my breeding stock. Any ideas?
Hello Kristen, What you are describing sounds like a chronic sinus infection. I would not recommend mixing this bird with the rest of your flock. Sorry. All the Best, Rob

Molly Plunkett from Madison, wisconsin asks: I have a male red factor canary with what appears to be a soft facial tumor, it hangs underneath the beak. The poor bird twitches and scratches. This is the second red facto canary I have had develop facial tumors. Is this a feature of red factors. I have your canary book and have looked elsewhere for help with no luck. Is this fatal? Any thing to be done to prevent or treat? Thanks Molly
Hello Molly, It may be an abscess rather than a tumor. Would it be possible to send a photo to Laraine via e-mail so I can have a look at it? Red factors are more fragile than other canary varieties. All the Best, Rob

Randall Grubb from Wichita, KS asks: Hi Dr. Rob, I have an indoor aviary with Lady Gouldian Finches. This morning I witnessed a young bird suddenly drop to the ground from a 5' high perch. It flopped about on the ground as if in some kind of epileptic fit. After about 2 minutes of this behavior, it seemed to regain it's sences and flew back up onto the branch, but does not seem entirely well. I did notice she has a normal firm dropping. There is also a two year old cock that has gone to the floor, is off balance and falls over alot. He can't get off the ground, but otherwise looks very healthy. Is this behaviour indicative of any certain disease? Thanks for any help you can give.
Hello Randall, I sounds like both of your Lady Gouldians are suffering from what is referred to as the "twirling syndrome". Unfortunately there is no cure for this behavior and there are many thoughts on what causes it. Pathology and histopathology have failed to come up with a specific disease causing agent, but a virus is suspected. Rob

THUNDERBIRDS from Atlanta, Georgia USA asks: Hello Dr. Rob, I am a friend of Laraine and am very impressed with your products. I have a two fold question. I also have the Canary Health book and my birds are the ones on the cover. I bought some Yorkie canaries from someone and one of them continues to display the "butt bobbing" (I know that sounds weird, but Laraine and I don't know what else to call it. When he goes to the bathroom his bum bobs up and down. None of my other canaries have displayed this behavior. I have him on Doxy, Bioplus, mega mix, apple cider vinegar, evite fpoweder, a pelleted diet with seed and egg food. He is currently being treated for ornithosis as I am doing the entire flock (500+ birds) before gouldian breeding season. I would very much like to cure this individual. He does not have a pasted vent. Also, I have my first Norwich chick. She has had subsequent eggs, with chicks, but the chicks were dead in the eggs. In your book it says ornithosis, but these birds are in excellent condition and very active. They display no outward sign of illness and their chick, knock on wood, is strong and looks very healthy and growing normally. Any advice you have would be most appreciated. Thanks so much and hav a good day. L. Manley
Hello Laurel, I would recommend that you should have your vet grow a culture from the droppings of the bird in question. That way you will know what antibiotic to treat with.

Birds exposed and infected with Ornithosis do not necessarily look sick. Infertility and Dead In Shell are symptoms of Ornithosis when no outward signs, like one eye colds are apparent. Best of Luck, Rob

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